another plea! ShadowPlan for iOS? Seed-Money?

[swac2002]

Hi Jeff,

I am almost willing to pay the outrageous $50 to StyleTap just so I can use ShadowPlan!

But! I'd rather pay you $50.00 if that would lead, even some time down the line, to a version for the iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad.

Of all the folks on the yahoo group who have asked about this, I wonder how many would be willing to each give you, say $25.00 seed money upfront, to help fund the project.

I like my Palm T3 for ShadowPlan but I never have it with me because, well, it's a second thing to carry around, and I obviously can't coordinate what I'm doing across devices.

I'd jump in a second to an iOS version so all I'd need to carry around is my iPod Touch (or iPad 3 if I decide to buy one).

Finally, when I recently checked the StyleTap website they were touting some sort of Palm Software development kit that would "easily" allow Palm programs to be ported to iOS. Is this something that you could use? And even if so, would they be wanting an arm and a leg to sell you that kit?

Thanks so much for one of the best programs ever, and for your time right now,

Sincerely,

Chris

[skeezix]

Still a crazy world out there; outliners / to-do-lists /
project-managers exist aplenty, from websites to apps; most apps are
pretty lightweight these days (which is what most people need, but
obviosuly theres the power niche who wants more!) .. heck, most of these
apps don't do hierarchy, and no apps synchronize in many locations .. it
always makes me giggle how iTunes is so painful about sync options .. or
'cloud sync' which usually still means single sync target, but at least
yit works anywhere; in a lot of ways, Palm and Pocket PC apps were far
ahead of capabilities in many apps compared to these days.. just not as
pretty or as connected :)

Anyway, the trick now for such a thing is.. competing with Bascamp
and the 10,000 pretty good websites that do this stuff, as well as the
existing apps. There are a lot of good sold web based applications, and
some of those have decent on-device applications.

Pretty tough nut to crack, but really.. for me, to fight all those
big guys, it would be sort of like Shadow was at the beginning.. carving a
specific niche and trying to grow it, without getting on the radar of the
big guys. But in the world dominated by walled garden stores like iTunes
and Android Marketplace, your visibility is dictated by downloads .. the
top stay the top, and the new or niche guy has an almost impossible time
being noticed, by store design. (They dont' want a big ecology.. the
stores want a set of very successful few apps, in any given category.)

Anyway, the question then is .. what could an app I build (call it
Shadow for sake of argument) offer that the other guys do not, and that
they couldnmt' then just bolt on? Its like.. if you build a better
mousetrap, the old mousttrap companies will modify their design after
you've done all the hard work. The trick is coming up with somethign that
can't be duplicated.. like hard work ;)

So what would need to be in a new applicaiton, that the other guys
doint' already do? Or, just taking it seriuously? Doing proper hierarchy
with dependancies between items and lots of dates and custom displays and
all that? Thats pretty much the opposite of what iOS and Android
applications are .. so hard to say if that would sell. Those markets
thrive on $1 apps that donmt' have much work in them .. doing something
serious takes a lot more time and you need to charge for it..

.. but can you sell an app for $7 or $10 or $15 there? Pretty
hard. If you sell it for $1, wil you get enough sell through to make up in
volume what you dont' get per unit?

Yeah, had all these same questions before, but I was younger and
more foolish then, full of spit and vinegar ;) Now I'm still full of spit
and vinegar, but not as much energy :)

If theres a market there, I could be tempted back in :)

jeff

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, swac2002 wrote:

# Hi Jeff,
#
# I am almost willing to pay the outrageous $50 to StyleTap just so I can use ShadowPlan!
#
# But! I'd rather pay you $50.00 if that would lead, even some time down the line, to a version for the iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad.
#
# Of all the folks on the yahoo group who have asked about this, I wonder how many would be willing to each give you, say $25.00 seed money upfront, to help fund the project.
#
# I like my Palm T3 for ShadowPlan but I never have it with me because, well, it's a second thing to carry around, and I obviously can't coordinate what I'm doing across devices.
#
# I'd jump in a second to an iOS version so all I'd need to carry around is my iPod Touch (or iPad 3 if I decide to buy one).
#
# Finally, when I recently checked the StyleTap website they were touting some sort of Palm Software development kit that would "easily" allow Palm programs to be ported to iOS. Is this something that you could use? And even if so, would they be wanting an arm and a leg to sell you that kit?
#
# Thanks so much for one of the best programs ever, and for your time right now,
#
# Sincerely,
#
# Chris
#
#
#
# ------------------------------------
#
# Yahoo! Groups Links
#
#
#
#

--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[y***@brisksoftware.com]

Wan't the desktop developed using TrollTech's QT?

If so, how about to Blackberry Playbook! The platform supports is based on QNX. Development is C/C++ (with QT for GUI), AIR,
HTML5/JavaScript.

I'd pitch $50 to get this going - desktop and tablet!

Jeffrey

[fulldec]

I, too, would be willing to support a renewed Shadow. Never found an equal. I would need it for the iPhone/iPad environment.

Don

Post by y***@brisksoftware.com
Wan't the desktop developed using TrollTech's QT?
If so, how about to Blackberry Playbook! The platform supports is based on QNX. Development is C/C++ (with QT for GUI), AIR,
HTML5/JavaScript.
I'd pitch $50 to get this going - desktop and tablet!
Jeffrey

[Luiz Marcello de Almeida Pereira]

I hate to bring discordance to this group, but I have a WindowsPhone and for that (very significant) reason I have to say this is the best choice for a platform, way before Android or iPhone...
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I, too, would be willing to support a renewed Shadow. Never found an equal. I would need it for the iPhone/iPad environment.



Don

Post by y***@brisksoftware.com
Wan't the desktop developed using TrollTech's QT?
If so, how about to Blackberry Playbook! The platform supports is based on QNX. Development is C/C++ (with QT for GUI), AIR,
HTML5/JavaScript.
I'd pitch $50 to get this going - desktop and tablet!
Jeffrey

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Post by Luiz Marcello de Almeida Pereira
I hate to bring discordance to this group, but I have a WindowsPhone and
for that (very significant) reason I have to say this is the best choice
for a platform, way before Android or iPhone...
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:51:17 +0000
Subject: [shadow-discuss] Re: another plea! ShadowPlan for iOS? Seed-Money?
I, too, would be willing to support a renewed Shadow. Never found an
equal. I would need it for the iPhone/iPad environment.
Don

Post by y***@brisksoftware.com
Wan't the desktop developed using TrollTech's QT?
If so, how about to Blackberry Playbook! The platform supports is based

on QNX. Development is C/C++ (with QT for GUI), AIR,

Post by y***@brisksoftware.com
HTML5/JavaScript.
I'd pitch $50 to get this going - desktop and tablet!
Jeffrey

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[rider997]

Jeff,

You make some good points, but Shadow has been out there for many years on PalmOS -- how much of it has been copied in any usable or meaningful way?

I still drag my old Palm T3 out just to use ShadowPlan. I haven't been able to find anything that even approaches the functionality of shadow for iOS.

I do think that although marketing (pricing, visibility on sites like Appshopper, mentions on review sites) are important, you definitely have a product that would shine on the iPhone and iPad.

I would also be willing to commit to a development fund for Shadow on iOS, but what it needs from you is a real desire to put in what I am sure is an unreasonable number of hours to get it to where you want it to be. If I recall correctly, your little one must be five years old now, and I know how hard it can be to make that kind of a time commitment.


Nevertheless, it should make you smile to see the number of people who are posting here with accolades and support for Shadowplan so many years after (sadly) PalmOS ceased to be a viable development platform.

Post by skeezix
Still a crazy world out there; outliners / to-do-lists /
project-managers exist aplenty, from websites to apps; most apps are
pretty lightweight these days (which is what most people need, but
obviosuly theres the power niche who wants more!) .. heck, most of these
apps don't do hierarchy, and no apps synchronize in many locations .. it
always makes me giggle how iTunes is so painful about sync options .. or
'cloud sync' which usually still means single sync target, but at least
yit works anywhere; in a lot of ways, Palm and Pocket PC apps were far
ahead of capabilities in many apps compared to these days.. just not as
pretty or as connected :)
Anyway, the trick now for such a thing is.. competing with Bascamp
and the 10,000 pretty good websites that do this stuff, as well as the
existing apps. There are a lot of good sold web based applications, and
some of those have decent on-device applications.
Pretty tough nut to crack, but really.. for me, to fight all those
big guys, it would be sort of like Shadow was at the beginning.. carving a
specific niche and trying to grow it, without getting on the radar of the
big guys. But in the world dominated by walled garden stores like iTunes
and Android Marketplace, your visibility is dictated by downloads .. the
top stay the top, and the new or niche guy has an almost impossible time
being noticed, by store design. (They dont' want a big ecology.. the
stores want a set of very successful few apps, in any given category.)
Anyway, the question then is .. what could an app I build (call it
Shadow for sake of argument) offer that the other guys do not, and that
they couldnmt' then just bolt on? Its like.. if you build a better
mousetrap, the old mousttrap companies will modify their design after
you've done all the hard work. The trick is coming up with somethign that
can't be duplicated.. like hard work ;)
So what would need to be in a new applicaiton, that the other guys
doint' already do? Or, just taking it seriuously? Doing proper hierarchy
with dependancies between items and lots of dates and custom displays and
all that? Thats pretty much the opposite of what iOS and Android
applications are .. so hard to say if that would sell. Those markets
thrive on $1 apps that donmt' have much work in them .. doing something
serious takes a lot more time and you need to charge for it..
.. but can you sell an app for $7 or $10 or $15 there? Pretty
hard. If you sell it for $1, wil you get enough sell through to make up in
volume what you dont' get per unit?
Yeah, had all these same questions before, but I was younger and
more foolish then, full of spit and vinegar ;) Now I'm still full of spit
and vinegar, but not as much energy :)
If theres a market there, I could be tempted back in :)
jeff
# Hi Jeff,
#
# I am almost willing to pay the outrageous $50 to StyleTap just so I can use ShadowPlan!
#
# But! I'd rather pay you $50.00 if that would lead, even some time down the line, to a version for the iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad.
#
# Of all the folks on the yahoo group who have asked about this, I wonder how many would be willing to each give you, say $25.00 seed money upfront, to help fund the project.
#
# I like my Palm T3 for ShadowPlan but I never have it with me because, well, it's a second thing to carry around, and I obviously can't coordinate what I'm doing across devices.
#
# I'd jump in a second to an iOS version so all I'd need to carry around is my iPod Touch (or iPad 3 if I decide to buy one).
#
# Finally, when I recently checked the StyleTap website they were touting some sort of Palm Software development kit that would "easily" allow Palm programs to be ported to iOS. Is this something that you could use? And even if so, would they be wanting an arm and a leg to sell you that kit?
#
# Thanks so much for one of the best programs ever, and for your time right now,
#
# Sincerely,
#
# Chris
#
#
#
# ------------------------------------
#
# Yahoo! Groups Links
#
#
#
#
--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[skeezix]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, rider997 wrote:

# I would also be willing to commit to a development fund for Shadow on
# iOS, but what it needs from you is a real desire to put in what I am
# sure is an unreasonable number of hours to get it to where you want it
# to be. If I recall correctly, your little one must be five years old
# now, and I know how hard it can be to make that kind of a time
# commitment.

FWIW, 3 little ones :O (We had one, then another.. that turned out
to be twins.)

Busy ;)

# Nevertheless, it should make you smile to see the number of people who are posting here with accolades and support for Shadowplan so many years after (sadly) PalmOS ceased to be a viable development platform.

Yes, it is tempting; I've already worked out some details how I'd
do it, and maybe even cross platform, too.

Don't tempt me ;)

jeff

--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[rider997]

$75 here waiting for kickstarter :-)

And congratulations!

Post by skeezix
# I would also be willing to commit to a development fund for Shadow on
# iOS, but what it needs from you is a real desire to put in what I am
# sure is an unreasonable number of hours to get it to where you want it
# to be. If I recall correctly, your little one must be five years old
# now, and I know how hard it can be to make that kind of a time
# commitment.
FWIW, 3 little ones :O (We had one, then another.. that turned out
to be twins.)
Busy ;)
# Nevertheless, it should make you smile to see the number of people who are posting here with accolades and support for Shadowplan so many years after (sadly) PalmOS ceased to be a viable development platform.
Yes, it is tempting; I've already worked out some details how I'd
do it, and maybe even cross platform, too.
Don't tempt me ;)
jeff
--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[Neil Slater]

Jeff:

I completely understand your argument about the exclusive nature of Apple's
App Store. Even though there doesn't appear to be anything out there that
can compete with Shadow's capabilities, Apple could let you do all the
work, then kick you out of the store because one of the bigger companies
decides you're too good to compete against (same way WalMart pushes out the
competition).

BUT... how many Palm developers copied your ideas from Shadow on that
platform? How many copies did you sell for Palm, and how many are still
using it - or would if the platform were still viable? Could those users be
tempted to pick up an iPad version? Would you be able to advertise to
attract those prior customers?

I can't really afford a tablet of any kind at the moment, no matter how
great they are; but if Shadow Plan were available, I'd be searching VERY
hard for a way to move to the tablet that you chose to support.

So, yes, I WOULD spend the $50 to get you to port Shadow to iPad (my
preferred tablet o' the future).

Neil Slater
*thinking fond thoughts of my slide rule and abacus...*

Post by skeezix
**
Still a crazy world out there; outliners / to-do-lists /
project-managers exist aplenty, from websites to apps; most apps are
pretty lightweight these days (which is what most people need, but
obviosuly theres the power niche who wants more!) .. heck, most of these
apps don't do hierarchy, and no apps synchronize in many locations .. it
always makes me giggle how iTunes is so painful about sync options .. or
'cloud sync' which usually still means single sync target, but at least
yit works anywhere; in a lot of ways, Palm and Pocket PC apps were far
ahead of capabilities in many apps compared to these days.. just not as
pretty or as connected :)
Anyway, the trick now for such a thing is.. competing with Bascamp
and the 10,000 pretty good websites that do this stuff, as well as the
existing apps. There are a lot of good sold web based applications, and
some of those have decent on-device applications.
Pretty tough nut to crack, but really.. for me, to fight all those
big guys, it would be sort of like Shadow was at the beginning.. carving a
specific niche and trying to grow it, without getting on the radar of the
big guys. But in the world dominated by walled garden stores like iTunes
and Android Marketplace, your visibility is dictated by downloads .. the
top stay the top, and the new or niche guy has an almost impossible time
being noticed, by store design. (They dont' want a big ecology.. the
stores want a set of very successful few apps, in any given category.)
Anyway, the question then is .. what could an app I build (call it
Shadow for sake of argument) offer that the other guys do not, and that
they couldnmt' then just bolt on? Its like.. if you build a better
mousetrap, the old mousttrap companies will modify their design after
you've done all the hard work. The trick is coming up with somethign that
can't be duplicated.. like hard work ;)
So what would need to be in a new applicaiton, that the other guys
doint' already do? Or, just taking it seriuously? Doing proper hierarchy
with dependancies between items and lots of dates and custom displays and
all that? Thats pretty much the opposite of what iOS and Android
applications are .. so hard to say if that would sell. Those markets
thrive on $1 apps that donmt' have much work in them .. doing something
serious takes a lot more time and you need to charge for it..
.. but can you sell an app for $7 or $10 or $15 there? Pretty
hard. If you sell it for $1, wil you get enough sell through to make up in
volume what you dont' get per unit?
Yeah, had all these same questions before, but I was younger and
more foolish then, full of spit and vinegar ;) Now I'm still full of spit
and vinegar, but not as much energy :)
If theres a market there, I could be tempted back in :)
jeff
# Hi Jeff,
#
# I am almost willing to pay the outrageous $50 to StyleTap just so I can
use ShadowPlan!
#
# But! I'd rather pay you $50.00 if that would lead, even some time down
the line, to a version for the iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad.
#
# Of all the folks on the yahoo group who have asked about this, I wonder
how many would be willing to each give you, say $25.00 seed money upfront,
to help fund the project.
#
# I like my Palm T3 for ShadowPlan but I never have it with me because,
well, it's a second thing to carry around, and I obviously can't coordinate
what I'm doing across devices.
#
# I'd jump in a second to an iOS version so all I'd need to carry around
is my iPod Touch (or iPad 3 if I decide to buy one).
#
# Finally, when I recently checked the StyleTap website they were touting
some sort of Palm Software development kit that would "easily" allow Palm
programs to be ported to iOS. Is this something that you could use? And
even if so, would they be wanting an arm and a leg to sell you that kit?
#
# Thanks so much for one of the best programs ever, and for your time
right now,
#
# Sincerely,
#
# Chris
#
--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[emermels]

Jeff,
I've said it before and I'll say it again...nothing out there really competes with Shadow. Even after all these years. So, yes, I too would pay $50 to get Shadow development back under way and on a newer device (Android would be my preference).

Anyone else out there want to chime in and see if we can't give Jeff a little energy/motivation to go along with the spit and vinegar?

Eric

Post by Neil Slater
I completely understand your argument about the exclusive nature of Apple's
App Store. Even though there doesn't appear to be anything out there that
can compete with Shadow's capabilities, Apple could let you do all the
work, then kick you out of the store because one of the bigger companies
decides you're too good to compete against (same way WalMart pushes out the
competition).
BUT... how many Palm developers copied your ideas from Shadow on that
platform? How many copies did you sell for Palm, and how many are still
using it - or would if the platform were still viable? Could those users be
tempted to pick up an iPad version? Would you be able to advertise to
attract those prior customers?
I can't really afford a tablet of any kind at the moment, no matter how
great they are; but if Shadow Plan were available, I'd be searching VERY
hard for a way to move to the tablet that you chose to support.
So, yes, I WOULD spend the $50 to get you to port Shadow to iPad (my
preferred tablet o' the future).
Neil Slater
*thinking fond thoughts of my slide rule and abacus...*

Post by skeezix
**
Still a crazy world out there; outliners / to-do-lists /
project-managers exist aplenty, from websites to apps; most apps are
pretty lightweight these days (which is what most people need, but
obviosuly theres the power niche who wants more!) .. heck, most of these
apps don't do hierarchy, and no apps synchronize in many locations .. it
always makes me giggle how iTunes is so painful about sync options .. or
'cloud sync' which usually still means single sync target, but at least
yit works anywhere; in a lot of ways, Palm and Pocket PC apps were far
ahead of capabilities in many apps compared to these days.. just not as
pretty or as connected :)
Anyway, the trick now for such a thing is.. competing with Bascamp
and the 10,000 pretty good websites that do this stuff, as well as the
existing apps. There are a lot of good sold web based applications, and
some of those have decent on-device applications.
Pretty tough nut to crack, but really.. for me, to fight all those
big guys, it would be sort of like Shadow was at the beginning.. carving a
specific niche and trying to grow it, without getting on the radar of the
big guys. But in the world dominated by walled garden stores like iTunes
and Android Marketplace, your visibility is dictated by downloads .. the
top stay the top, and the new or niche guy has an almost impossible time
being noticed, by store design. (They dont' want a big ecology.. the
stores want a set of very successful few apps, in any given category.)
Anyway, the question then is .. what could an app I build (call it
Shadow for sake of argument) offer that the other guys do not, and that
they couldnmt' then just bolt on? Its like.. if you build a better
mousetrap, the old mousttrap companies will modify their design after
you've done all the hard work. The trick is coming up with somethign that
can't be duplicated.. like hard work ;)
So what would need to be in a new applicaiton, that the other guys
doint' already do? Or, just taking it seriuously? Doing proper hierarchy
with dependancies between items and lots of dates and custom displays and
all that? Thats pretty much the opposite of what iOS and Android
applications are .. so hard to say if that would sell. Those markets
thrive on $1 apps that donmt' have much work in them .. doing something
serious takes a lot more time and you need to charge for it..
.. but can you sell an app for $7 or $10 or $15 there? Pretty
hard. If you sell it for $1, wil you get enough sell through to make up in
volume what you dont' get per unit?
Yeah, had all these same questions before, but I was younger and
more foolish then, full of spit and vinegar ;) Now I'm still full of spit
and vinegar, but not as much energy :)
If theres a market there, I could be tempted back in :)
jeff
# Hi Jeff,
#
# I am almost willing to pay the outrageous $50 to StyleTap just so I can
use ShadowPlan!
#
# But! I'd rather pay you $50.00 if that would lead, even some time down
the line, to a version for the iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad.
#
# Of all the folks on the yahoo group who have asked about this, I wonder
how many would be willing to each give you, say $25.00 seed money upfront,
to help fund the project.
#
# I like my Palm T3 for ShadowPlan but I never have it with me because,
well, it's a second thing to carry around, and I obviously can't coordinate
what I'm doing across devices.
#
# I'd jump in a second to an iOS version so all I'd need to carry around
is my iPod Touch (or iPad 3 if I decide to buy one).
#
# Finally, when I recently checked the StyleTap website they were touting
some sort of Palm Software development kit that would "easily" allow Palm
programs to be ported to iOS. Is this something that you could use? And
even if so, would they be wanting an arm and a leg to sell you that kit?
#
# Thanks so much for one of the best programs ever, and for your time
right now,
#
# Sincerely,
#
# Chris
#
--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

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[Tony Jennings at home]

I concur



Take Care,



Tony Jennings, RPF ACPC

Managing Partner, InterAlign

Coaching, Mediation, Facilitation, Consulting, Executive Services

416-200-3505

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[tschnitzlein]

Yes, I'd be in too, although I would prefer Android as I guess that platform would make it easier to have a desktop companion application.

And it's true - I haven't found an equivalent replacement for Shadow either. I'm still using my Palm T3, but it is getting increasingly difficult to do backups on post-XP Windows systems.

Just tell us you're committed to bring us Shadow again - I'm sure that many of us would start viral campaigns to help you with seed funding.

Post by Tony Jennings at home
I concur
Take Care,
Tony Jennings, RPF ACPC
Managing Partner, InterAlign
Coaching, Mediation, Facilitation, Consulting, Executive Services
416-200-3505
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[Neil Slater]

Oh no, we're not trying to TEMPT you. This is out-and-out bribery! :)

We all understand the busy part - well, those of us with urchins ourselves,
at least.

I also understand your nervousness about trying to get into the Apple
store, and the precarious nature of such a place.

But how long have we been using your product without updates, on outdated
hardware? Dude, you've got some REAL serious groupies here! Shadow is
apparently still unrivalled on any portable platform, and we'd love it if
you'd keep looking at how to bring it to the Android/iPad market.

Thanks for being there!
Neil Slater

**
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/coogfoo> Mon May 14, 2012 11:04 am (PDT)
# I would also be willing to commit to a development fund for Shadow on
# iOS, but what it needs from you is a real desire to put in what I am
# sure is an unreasonable number of hours to get it to where you want it
# to be. If I recall correctly, your little one must be five years old
# now, and I know how hard it can be to make that kind of a time
# commitment.
FWIW, 3 little ones :O (We had one, then another.. that turned out
to be twins.)
Busy ;)
# Nevertheless, it should make you smile to see the number of people who
are posting here with accolades and support for Shadowplan so many years
after (sadly) PalmOS ceased to be a viable development platform.
Yes, it is tempting; I've already worked out some details how I'd
do it, and maybe even cross platform, too.
Don't tempt me ;)
jeff
--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[skeezix]

On Tue, 15 May 2012, Neil Slater wrote:

# Oh no, we're not trying to TEMPT you. This is out-and-out bribery! :)
#
# We all understand the busy part - well, those of us with urchins ourselves,
# at least.
#
# I also understand your nervousness about trying to get into the Apple
# store, and the precarious nature of such a place.
#
# But how long have we been using your product without updates, on outdated
# hardware? Dude, you've got some REAL serious groupies here! Shadow is
# apparently still unrivalled on any portable platform, and we'd love it if
# you'd keep looking at how to bring it to the Android/iPad market.
#
# Thanks for being there!

I fought the good fight for sure; I clawed uphill against
incumabnts and won Those were glorious days, and we all made it happen.

Too bad I wasn't greedy, could've really made something ;)

But yeah, this is tempting stuff. Jeeps.

I'm a little worn out here right now (hey, had twins :), but I'm
getting =my legs back under me, and I do have the itch. Got a few projects
on the go, but need to get back into the mobile stores again.

Hows this -- send me an email in a month, and again in 2 months.
Give me a bit of time to get my feet back on the ground, maybe get a
little (haha!) sleep, and maybe I'll put together a tech demo for iOS and
Android for ya, just to see if you like the look I was working on awhile
ago.

If folks like the look of the uber-basic, then maybe I can start a
slow gradual growth ..

jeff

# Neil Slater
#
# On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:59 AM, <shadow-***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
#
# > **
# > Posted by: "skeezix" ***@skeleton.org
# > <***@skeleton.org?Subject=+Re%3A%20another%20plea%21%20ShadowPlan%20for%20iOS%3F%20Seed-Money%3F> coogfoo
# > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/coogfoo> Mon May 14, 2012 11:04 am (PDT)
# > On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, rider997 wrote:
# >
# > # I would also be willing to commit to a development fund for Shadow on
# > # iOS, but what it needs from you is a real desire to put in what I am
# > # sure is an unreasonable number of hours to get it to where you want it
# > # to be. If I recall correctly, your little one must be five years old
# > # now, and I know how hard it can be to make that kind of a time
# > # commitment.
# >
# > FWIW, 3 little ones :O (We had one, then another.. that turned out
# > to be twins.)
# >
# > Busy ;)
# >
# > # Nevertheless, it should make you smile to see the number of people who
# > are posting here with accolades and support for Shadowplan so many years
# > after (sadly) PalmOS ceased to be a viable development platform.
# >
# > Yes, it is tempting; I've already worked out some details how I'd
# > do it, and maybe even cross platform, too.
# >
# > Don't tempt me ;)
# >
# > jeff
# >
# > --
# > If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.
# >
# >
#
#
# [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
#
#
#
# ------------------------------------
#
# Yahoo! Groups Links
#
#
#
#

--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[skeezix]

And by email, I mean here and CC me personally, sinmce I check
into this group only every couple weeks, I keep forgetting. The days blur
by ;)

jeff

On Wed, 23 May 2012, skeezix wrote:

# On Tue, 15 May 2012, Neil Slater wrote:
#
# # Oh no, we're not trying to TEMPT you. This is out-and-out bribery! :)
# #
# # We all understand the busy part - well, those of us with urchins ourselves,
# # at least.
# #
# # I also understand your nervousness about trying to get into the Apple
# # store, and the precarious nature of such a place.
# #
# # But how long have we been using your product without updates, on outdated
# # hardware? Dude, you've got some REAL serious groupies here! Shadow is
# # apparently still unrivalled on any portable platform, and we'd love it if
# # you'd keep looking at how to bring it to the Android/iPad market.
# #
# # Thanks for being there!
#
# I fought the good fight for sure; I clawed uphill against
# incumabnts and won Those were glorious days, and we all made it happen.
#
# Too bad I wasn't greedy, could've really made something ;)
#
# But yeah, this is tempting stuff. Jeeps.
#
# I'm a little worn out here right now (hey, had twins :), but I'm
# getting =my legs back under me, and I do have the itch. Got a few projects
# on the go, but need to get back into the mobile stores again.
#
# Hows this -- send me an email in a month, and again in 2 months.
# Give me a bit of time to get my feet back on the ground, maybe get a
# little (haha!) sleep, and maybe I'll put together a tech demo for iOS and
# Android for ya, just to see if you like the look I was working on awhile
# ago.
#
# If folks like the look of the uber-basic, then maybe I can start a
# slow gradual growth ..
#
# jeff
#
# # Neil Slater
# #
# # On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:59 AM, <shadow-***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
# #
# # > **
# # > Posted by: "skeezix" ***@skeleton.org
# # > <***@skeleton.org?Subject=+Re%3A%20another%20plea%21%20ShadowPlan%20for%20iOS%3F%20Seed-Money%3F> coogfoo
# # > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/coogfoo> Mon May 14, 2012 11:04 am (PDT)
# # > On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, rider997 wrote:
# # >
# # > # I would also be willing to commit to a development fund for Shadow on
# # > # iOS, but what it needs from you is a real desire to put in what I am
# # > # sure is an unreasonable number of hours to get it to where you want it
# # > # to be. If I recall correctly, your little one must be five years old
# # > # now, and I know how hard it can be to make that kind of a time
# # > # commitment.
# # >
# # > FWIW, 3 little ones :O (We had one, then another.. that turned out
# # > to be twins.)
# # >
# # > Busy ;)
# # >
# # > # Nevertheless, it should make you smile to see the number of people who
# # > are posting here with accolades and support for Shadowplan so many years
# # > after (sadly) PalmOS ceased to be a viable development platform.
# # >
# # > Yes, it is tempting; I've already worked out some details how I'd
# # > do it, and maybe even cross platform, too.
# # >
# # > Don't tempt me ;)
# # >
# # > jeff
# # >
# # > --
# # > If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.
# # >
# # >
# #
# #
# # [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
# #
# #
# #
# # ------------------------------------
# #
# # Yahoo! Groups Links
# #
# #
# #
# #
#
# --
# If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.
#

--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[Robert Caine]

This is great news. I have a reminder in my calendar to prompt you myself.
I will be looking forward to seeing the Android demo. Like everyone else
here I have not found anything to approach Shadow.



As a word of encouragement you should have a chance to get a little more
sleep between the diaper stage for the twins and when your oldest hits the
teens! Let's hope so.



From: shadow-***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:shadow-***@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of skeezix
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:08 PM
To: shadow-***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [shadow-discuss] Re: another plea! ShadowPlan for iOS?
Seed-Money?






And by email, I mean here and CC me personally, sinmce I check
into this group only every couple weeks, I keep forgetting. The days blur
by ;)

jeff

On Wed, 23 May 2012, skeezix wrote:

# On Tue, 15 May 2012, Neil Slater wrote:
#
# # Oh no, we're not trying to TEMPT you. This is out-and-out bribery! :)
# #
# # We all understand the busy part - well, those of us with urchins
ourselves,
# # at least.
# #
# # I also understand your nervousness about trying to get into the Apple
# # store, and the precarious nature of such a place.
# #
# # But how long have we been using your product without updates, on
outdated
# # hardware? Dude, you've got some REAL serious groupies here! Shadow is
# # apparently still unrivalled on any portable platform, and we'd love it
if
# # you'd keep looking at how to bring it to the Android/iPad market.
# #
# # Thanks for being there!
#
# I fought the good fight for sure; I clawed uphill against
# incumabnts and won Those were glorious days, and we all made it happen.
#
# Too bad I wasn't greedy, could've really made something ;)
#
# But yeah, this is tempting stuff. Jeeps.
#
# I'm a little worn out here right now (hey, had twins :), but I'm
# getting =my legs back under me, and I do have the itch. Got a few projects

# on the go, but need to get back into the mobile stores again.
#
# Hows this -- send me an email in a month, and again in 2 months.
# Give me a bit of time to get my feet back on the ground, maybe get a
# little (haha!) sleep, and maybe I'll put together a tech demo for iOS and
# Android for ya, just to see if you like the look I was working on awhile
# ago.
#
# If folks like the look of the uber-basic, then maybe I can start a
# slow gradual growth ..
#
# jeff
#
# # Neil Slater
# #
# # On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:59 AM, <shadow-***@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:shadow-discuss%40yahoogroups.com> > wrote:
# #
# # > **
# # > Posted by: "skeezix" ***@skeleton.org
<mailto:skeezix%40skeleton.org>
# # > <***@skeleton.org <mailto:skeezix%40skeleton.org>
?Subject=+Re%3A%20another%20plea%21%20ShadowPlan%20for%20iOS%3F%20Seed-Money
%3F> coogfoo
# # > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/coogfoo> Mon May 14, 2012 11:04 am (PDT)
# # > On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, rider997 wrote:
# # >
# # > # I would also be willing to commit to a development fund for Shadow
on
# # > # iOS, but what it needs from you is a real desire to put in what I am
# # > # sure is an unreasonable number of hours to get it to where you want
it
# # > # to be. If I recall correctly, your little one must be five years old
# # > # now, and I know how hard it can be to make that kind of a time
# # > # commitment.
# # >
# # > FWIW, 3 little ones :O (We had one, then another.. that turned out
# # > to be twins.)
# # >
# # > Busy ;)
# # >
# # > # Nevertheless, it should make you smile to see the number of people
who
# # > are posting here with accolades and support for Shadowplan so many
years
# # > after (sadly) PalmOS ceased to be a viable development platform.
# # >
# # > Yes, it is tempting; I've already worked out some details how I'd
# # > do it, and maybe even cross platform, too.
# # >
# # > Don't tempt me ;)
# # >
# # > jeff
# # >
# # > --
# # > If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no
war.
# # >
# # >
# #
# #
# # [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
# #
# #
# #
# # ------------------------------------
# #
# # Yahoo! Groups Links
# #
# #
# #
# #
#
# --
# If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.
#

--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.





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[Anita Lewis]

Yes, this sounds good. I have two palms and one of them is really
draining the battery fast. I looked at the replacement process and it
didn't look very promising for me to attempt.

I've been looking at some of the Android tablets and thinking one of the
small ones might fill the space left when my Zire goes completely. I've
been using Shadow on it and a stop watch and that's pretty much it.

So do be sure to keep the posts coming to the list as well as direct to
Jeff.

Anita

This is great news. I have a reminder in my calendar to prompt you myself.
I will be looking forward to seeing the Android demo. Like everyone else
here I have not found anything to approach Shadow.
As a word of encouragement you should have a chance to get a little more
sleep between the diaper stage for the twins and when your oldest hits the
teens! Let's hope so.

[arkarkarkark2001]

Hey Anita,

battery replacement is really simple for nearly every palm, buying a replacemnet battery from ebay and using the tools very often included.

Just a few steps with some fingertips an voila - done.

Else let someone help you, its worth the effort.

BR Andreas

Post by Anita Lewis
Yes, this sounds good. I have two palms and one of them is really
draining the battery fast. I looked at the replacement process and it
didn't look very promising for me to attempt.

[Anita Lewis]

Thanks for the tip. I did find out about getting the battery and the
instructions for replacing. It requires careful soldering and I didn't
see myself buying a soldering iron for the process. Having someone else
do it is a good idea.

Post by arkarkarkark2001
Hey Anita,
battery replacement is really simple for nearly every palm, buying a
replacemnet battery from ebay and using the tools very often included.
Just a few steps with some fingertips an voila - done.
Else let someone help you, its worth the effort.
BR Andreas

[arkarkarkark2001]

Dear Anita,

I did it for myself quite a couple of times (several TC, TX, 515, T3, Zodiac2), never a soldering was required, just plugs.

Other models of course have replacable batteries, but I assume we speak about one of the above :)

All the best
Andreas

Post by Anita Lewis
Thanks for the tip. I did find out about getting the battery and the
instructions for replacing. It requires careful soldering and I didn't
see myself buying a soldering iron for the process. Having someone else
do it is a good idea.

Post by arkarkarkark2001
Hey Anita,
battery replacement is really simple for nearly every palm, buying a
replacemnet battery from ebay and using the tools very often included.
Just a few steps with some fingertips an voila - done.
Else let someone help you, its worth the effort.
BR Andreas

[Anita Lewis]

Thanks Andreas and Michael.

After reading Michael's suggestion, I thought it would be good to send
the Zire 31 to Chris Short. He doesn't list it as one he fixes, but I
can ask him. Now Andreas has told me about models that don't require
soldering. That makes me think about buying a model like that from
Chris Short and then I can replace batteries myself later. I can also
send him my Zire 31 to recycle. It would cost more, but I would still
have a Palm which I do like better than a tablet, I think.

I don't know why I never thought of this. I'll check with Chris to see
what he suggests. Thanks for the help!

Anita

Post by arkarkarkark2001
Dear Anita,
I did it for myself quite a couple of times (several TC, TX, 515, T3,
Zodiac2), never a soldering was required, just plugs.
Other models of course have replacable batteries, but I assume we speak
about one of the above :)
All the best
Andreas

[skeezix]

On Wed, 23 May 2012, Anita Lewis wrote:

# Yes, this sounds good. I have two palms and one of them is really
# draining the battery fast. I looked at the replacement process and it
# didn't look very promising for me to attempt.
#
# I've been looking at some of the Android tablets and thinking one of the
# small ones might fill the space left when my Zire goes completely. I've
# been using Shadow on it and a stop watch and that's pretty much it.
#
# So do be sure to keep the posts coming to the list as well as direct to
# Jeff.

Oh, not sure I know what I'm getting myself into, asking you guys
to bug me ;)

If I get a basic demo out, I'm talking a really ugly
non-functional demo just to see if it can run at all on variuous devices,
with sdome very basic functionality. ie: To test the cross platform
toolkit and choice of coding techniques and such (very edgy stuff, and of
course Apple frowns on creativity in such matters ;)

jeff

--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[SDFranklin]

I'll be delighted to provide a nudge in a few weeks, and also to test on my
Samsung Galaxy S2!



Shadow really is irreplaceable, and is the only reason I continue to also
carry my burnt orange Treo 680. Having it available for Android would be
beyond wonderful! And, of course, I'll pay!



Thank you, Jeff, for even considering this undertaking!





Suzanne





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[Noam Kfir]

How about appealing for sponsorship on Kickstarter?

You say how much it would take to kick off this project, set a deadline
(say, two or three months), and people that believe in you pledge what they
can.

You can incentivize it with rewards, if you choose. These could be licenses
paid for in advance, or "faxable" donuts :)

If you don't get enough backing by the deadline, you can drop the whole
thing or go a different route (though we'd all be massively disappointed!),
and nobody gets charged a dime.

But if you do get enough backing, all those pledges are automagically
funneled to your project so you get to actually eat on your first day "on
the job". People can put their money where their mouth is, without actually
endangering it.

This would give you an indication of where the wind is headed before you
commit yourself hook, line and sinker, and minimizes everybody else's risk
as well.

What say you?

shovavnik

Post by SDFranklin
**
I'll be delighted to provide a nudge in a few weeks, and also to test on my
Samsung Galaxy S2!
Shadow really is irreplaceable, and is the only reason I continue to also
carry my burnt orange Treo 680. Having it available for Android would be
beyond wonderful! And, of course, I'll pay!
Thank you, Jeff, for even considering this undertaking!
Suzanne
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[skeezix]

On Sun, 27 May 2012, Noam Kfir wrote:

# This would give you an indication of where the wind is headed before you
# commit yourself hook, line and sinker, and minimizes everybody else's risk
# as well.
#
# What say you?

That would imply a level of commitment I can't be 100% behind --
you remember my biggets fault of course, is trying to be honest and
upfront always ;) ie: If I put up a KS for $50k or whatever, and then got
it, I sure as hell have to go and do it ;)

I'd rather tool around, get a tech-demo together to prove some of
the tech and see if people like the feal at all, and then go from there.
Its mostly a matter of seeing if where I'd like to go is what people want,
and if its possible.

Scoping worries me a lot -- theres so many lofty goals these days,
but which are the true path that I would need .. what sort of web
frontend? what sort of app on the mobiles, and what sort of app
integration?

ie: Most apps in iOS and 'droid app stores are standalone ..
islands unto themselves, nice and easy; but the calendar apps and such,
are really only useful if they tie into iOS (say) native DB, with sync up
to iCloud. We've been that road before back 10 years ago of course... but
its worse now -- do you also sync with google calendar? or any old ical
davical type calendar? or to yahoo calendar? or no one? (and thats just
calendar .. if we're doing Shadow linking like we did in the 'classic
app', then we're ting into evferything ;)

So rethinking from the ground up, need to find out what people
need (whats the niche?), need to define what the application is within
those needs, and how best to serve.

For my part, my needs are simple .. I like simple fast
hierarchical task lists, and I like to be able to sync some of those items
into my calendar..

.. and babies are up, time to run/rum ;)

--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[dngrsone]

I hear you-- you programming is an art form.

Our problem is, you made a product that has absolutely no peer, and old and creaky as it is, it's still used by a bunch of people ten years after it should have fallen to the wayside.

I am finally transitioning away from my trusty old T|X... I have a shiny new Galaxy S II but I need an outliner.

Why not start simple-- the basic SP linked into the device local calendar. Everything else is gravy.

Post by skeezix
That would imply a level of commitment I can't be 100% behind --
you remember my biggets fault of course, is trying to be honest and
upfront always ;) ie: If I put up a KS for $50k or whatever, and then got
it, I sure as hell have to go and do it ;)
I'd rather tool around, get a tech-demo together to prove some of
the tech and see if people like the feal at all, and then go from there.
Its mostly a matter of seeing if where I'd like to go is what people want,
and if its possible.
Scoping worries me a lot -- theres so many lofty goals these days,
but which are the true path that I would need .. what sort of web
frontend? what sort of app on the mobiles, and what sort of app
integration?
ie: Most apps in iOS and 'droid app stores are standalone ..
islands unto themselves, nice and easy; but the calendar apps and such,
are really only useful if they tie into iOS (say) native DB, with sync up
to iCloud. We've been that road before back 10 years ago of course... but
its worse now -- do you also sync with google calendar? or any old ical
davical type calendar? or to yahoo calendar? or no one? (and thats just
calendar .. if we're doing Shadow linking like we did in the 'classic
app', then we're ting into evferything ;)
So rethinking from the ground up, need to find out what people
need (whats the niche?), need to define what the application is within
those needs, and how best to serve.
For my part, my needs are simple .. I like simple fast
hierarchical task lists, and I like to be able to sync some of those items
into my calendar..
.. and babies are up, time to run/rum ;)
--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[Michael Pohlman]

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/message/25300;_ylc=X3oDMTJyb29xMXVuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDE2MDYxBG1zZ0lkAzI1MzAwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEzMzgwMzM3NDI-><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shadow-discuss/message/25300;_ylc=X3oDMTJyb29xMXVuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2NDQ5MDIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDE2MDYxBG1zZ0lkAzI1MzAwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEzMzgwMzM3NDI->
Anita,

Chris Short (The Palm Dr http://www.palmdr.com/) has replaced batteries and
screens on a couple of occasions on my T|3 and TX. He is quick, honest,
and reliable and I highly recommend his Palm Preservation service.

Mike
Re: Palm Battery Replacement
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Posted
by: "Anita Lewis" ***@gmail.com
<***@gmail.com?Subject=+Re%3A%20Palm%20Battery%20Replacement> ajlewis2
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/ajlewis2> Sat May 26, 2012 4:15 am (PDT)

Thanks for the tip. I did find out about getting the battery and the
instructions for replacing. It requires careful soldering and I didn't
see myself buying a soldering iron for the process. Having someone else
do it is a good idea.


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