I'm in for $50 now and could go to $100.00

[swac2002]

and I'll be one those folks bothering you monthly--as you requested!

Some thoughts on recent comments:

I will NEVER use "the cloud" for my data. I don't even like the idea of my iTunes purchases being there.

Second, at least for Apple own iWork apps for the ipad, they're charging a
price-point of $9.99 EACH. So to get Apple's version of a word processing and spreadsheet, plus Keynote that's thirty bucks.

I'm wondering what kind of response you'd get from a one-time email to all the purchasers of Shadow Plan saying you're considering doing iOS and Android versions and their interest and at what price point.

I'm also wondering about where targeted advertising could be effective. I was very surprised when I saw a full page ad in Macworld for the five buck desktop Mac app Moom. Wouldn't have thought they could afford that.

I wonder about the market that the Jot stylus is geared to and if that audience could be tapped--cross-merchandising.

And maybe joining with the makers of the niche (enviro friendly on steroids) higher-end iPad sleeves: like nedrelow.com's "sleeve" and "book" for the iPad. I have the "sleeve" honestly I wish I had goneforthetotally stratrospherically priced "book.".

You be doing amazing I bet if you could somehow get a shot at Levenger's customer base.

My gut feeling is that twenty bucks is near the ceiling--well $19.99 of course. Does that sound about right and would that make it feasible for you to realistically develop it? And I don't know if apps can charge for updates but I'd say go that route even though it's not your style: if that can lower the initial price a little and as long as the update amount wasn't too much.

[skeezix]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, swac2002 wrote:

# I will NEVER use "the cloud" for my data. I don't even like the idea of my iTunes purchases being there.

I'm with you, but I'm 'old school'; I have a few servers up in the
basement, running my own calendar and email services and so forth .. its
icnrasingly annoying to run such things, with needing anti-spam and so
forth and alwasys having to update everything etc, but so far.. I'm off
the grid .. no one sniffing all yme email and calendars. Creeps me out..

# My gut feeling is that twenty bucks is near the ceiling--well $19.99 of
# course. Does that sound about right and would that make it feasible for

Same price point as before really ;)

The biggest hurdle for years now, aside from free time, has been
.. what direction needs to be run?

- a simple/fast outliner?
- with dates, dependancies, other fun stuff to make it optionally
more a project tracker?
- and simple lists, for shiopping lists, etc?
- .. but then we're turning ionto a database, with user definable
forms, so you can make fancy shopping lists and have summations of costs,
filters by target store, etc.. getting too 'broad'
- integration with what?
- Apple calendar so line items can show up in calendar?
- sync/push to google cal, yahoo cal, etc?
- evernote, mind manager, basecamp, ...
- sync to online codejedi site, so no data loss if device lost?
- set up your own server, sync to that, so no codejedi dependancy?
- rotating, scaling, transformable display .. phones, tablets, etc
.. babies are sick and waking up again.. I'm off ;)

I'm open to big discussion about what it needs to be, since
eveyrones idea are different. An interesting discussion if nothing else ;)

jeff

--
If everyone would put barbecue sauce on their food, there would be no war.

[Wolfram Kuss]

Post by skeezix
# I will NEVER use "the cloud" for my data.

Yes.

Post by skeezix
# My gut feeling is that twenty bucks is near the ceiling--well $19.99 of
# course.

My gut agrees to yours ;-)

Post by skeezix
- a simple/fast outliner?

Obviously it would be nice if simple jobs are easy to do,
but I think you should design for the power user from the start.

Post by skeezix
- with dates, dependancies, other fun stuff to make it optionally
more a project tracker?
- and simple lists, for shiopping lists, etc?

I use Shadow as a "Keeps all my Life's information in" program.
Both professional and private info.
But I dont have needs for a complex project tracker, so IMHO
2 or 3 features would eanble people like me to use it both as
todo and as shopping list:

- Notes can have a checkmark
- Notes can be active or inactive via location
- Probably a "due date" although I normally dont use it

I would not go overboard (dependancies) unless it is very easy
to do and fits into your concept.

Speaking about dates, a "date created" for each node is a must IMHO;
The user does not need to spend any time to create this info,
so it makes him more efficient.

Post by skeezix
- .. but then we're turning ionto a database,

Database as oposed to what? Simple XML text file?

Post by skeezix
with user definable forms,

IMHO a nice feature that should be designed in from the
beginning but does not need to be part of V 1.0.
I am speaking of say a view without the checkmarks and one with them.

Post by skeezix
so you can make fancy shopping lists and have summations of costs,

Sounds overkill to me.

Post by skeezix
filters by target store, etc..

Tags and filters are important

Post by skeezix
- integration with what?
- Apple calendar so line items can show up in calendar?
- sync/push to google cal, yahoo cal, etc?
- evernote, mind manager, basecamp, ...
- sync to online codejedi site, so no data loss if device lost?
- set up your own server, sync to that, so no codejedi dependancy?

IMO not in V 1 and maybe not even in V 2.
Like I wrote in my previous mail, you should synch with a PC version.
That is both a backup and on the PC you have large screenspece,
a mouse and keyboard.

Have different views for phones and tablets is important as
available screen space should influence the layout in a major way.
With stuff like the padfone starting to ship, you should actually
allow dynamic switching of views.

More features:
- Links from node to other node in the plan,
to other node in different plan, to outside
- Different data (text audio video pictures etc)
- Excellent search
- Import (use your current data) and export (so one is not "forced
in")
- Unicode

Features I advise against:
- Allowing more than one parent (actually one Android "outliner"
allows this

Post by skeezix
jeff

Bye bye,
Wolfram.